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[talker]

My greetings to all and I am fully armoured against the possible fallout from my installing Vista. I know I have hacked against Vista all this time and my suspisions have not changed but knowing that there will come a day when I (all of us) will have to embrace Vista or something similar, I thought I should try it. The only real change to the OS that I have made is to turn off UAC.

This all came about from a fellow at the computer store having an OEM copy of Vista Home Premium that came with his new HP laptop. Vista was presinstalled but he hated it. He formated and installed XP Pro. The Vista disc was not a restore disc but a full OEM version. He had never activated the OS and offered me the Vista for $20.00. I took him up on the offer. I had my old skt 939 3800 X2 at home in a corner since I retired it for my current Intel system. I installed Vista with all the bells and whistles with 2 GB PC3200 on an 80 GB IDE. Graphics are from a PCIe MSI NX7100GS 128 MB with the lastest Vista drivers. To sweeten the mix, I installed Office Professional 2007, my digital voice recorder software, my cell phone software (some would not install because of Vista). I installed my Creative Audigy 4 with the latest Vista drivers and software. To really stir things up I installed my MSI TV @nywhere Plus tuner card, again with the latest Vista drivers and software.

At this point in time, as bad as I hate to say it, Vista has really surprised me. The bootup takes less than a minute. The Audigy and the tuner card work flawlessly. I put the system on my network, again, without any hitch. I then tried a to install my HP 4600 color laser printer as a network printer and can now print from Vista across the network. The network install was faster than on any previous system. This is really disgusting. I was really ready for this all to be a flop and reaffirm my thoughts about Vista. My Performance rating is a 3.0 with that coming from the graphics card. The CPU scored 4.8 while the 2GB DDR scored 5.6. The IDE scored 5.2. So you see, if it were not for the weak GPU the score would have been better. I am using my Logitec Mx Laser mouse and it works well with Vista.

I will continue to put it through some torture but if things continue, I will be steadily surprised...talker.

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[Christopholofigus]

Welcome to the "other side"? LOL I love my vista. I found that running as the admin and deleting the other accounts; while using the admin account, you don't even have to worry about UAC. You running x64 or x86? (i'm guessing x86)

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Oh, this is in the x32 OS thread!

Edited by Christopholofigus, 12 September 2007 - 05:32 AM.

[banj0]

Hope you have fun with it Talker. After the betas, I was ready to dismiss it as well. But after the RTM and subsequent updates, it's running ok. Not as quick as XP x64 yet, but ok.

Full disclosure that I'm a gaming dork though. I switched just for DX10.

Edited by banj0, 12 September 2007 - 05:32 AM.

[talker]

Hi Guys,
Thanks for the comments. I guess to really settle the OS in and give it a fairer chance would be to get a DX10 enabled card. Even though I am not a gamer I want to set the OS up as much as a true "native" install as possible. We have several DX10 cards at the store that are very reasonable. Thanks for bringing that up banj0. Not being a gamer I would have never thought about it...talker.

PS. I have a theory about something banj0 and christo that I am trying to run down, what CPU and RAM are you using to run your Vista install and which version is it (32, 64, Home Premium, Ultimate)?...T.

Edited by talker, 12 September 2007 - 01:09 PM.

[KelpFries]

I've had a mixed experience running Vista. I have tried both the x86 and the x64 flavours and have found that I had problems with the 32 bit Vista. Tried it on three computers, two desktops and a laptop. It would hang at random times for about 2 minutes. It would shut down and restart randomly for no apparent reason. At times, applications would take up to 5 minutes to open, and this was random also, sometimes they would open quickly, sometimes after 5 minutes, and no specific applications either, just random. Tried x64 on my laptop first, an Acer Ferrari with a Turion X2 proc. Ran great, no hangs, no restarts, nice and quick, so I installed it on my two desktops, one a dual core P4, the other a dual - dual core Xeon MacPro, runs great on both, no problems at all. Ultimate on my laptop and Enterprise on my two desktops.

[Christopholofigus]

talker, on Sep 12 2007, 06:04 AM, said:

Hi Guys,
Thanks for the comments. I guess to really settle the OS in and give it a fairer chance would be to get a DX10 enabled card. Even though I am not a gamer I want to set the OS up as much as a true "native" install as possible. We have several DX10 cards at the store that are very reasonable. Thanks for bringing that up banj0. Not being a gamer I would have never thought about it...talker.

PS. I have a theory about something banj0 and christo that I am trying to run down, what CPU and RAM are you using to run your Vista install and which version is it (32, 64, Home Premium, Ultimate)?...T.

Im running a 3600 X2 with 2gb of corsair ddr2 800 on a biostar board. Right now using an unofficial Vista Ultimate x64, but i have a Vista business ed x64 and x86 fully legal, i just don't want to lose my Ultimate.

[banj0]

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PS. I have a theory about something banj0 and christo that I am trying to run down, what CPU and RAM are you using to run your Vista install and which version is it (32, 64, Home Premium, Ultimate)?...T.

I'm on Vista Ultimate x64 with a 939 Opty 165 @ 2.6 per core and 2x1g OCZ Titanium @ 215mhz.

[m.oreilly]

wow, talker is even "using"... best of luck T

[talker]

My wonderment is this: At the store I have an HP with Home Premium and a Gateway with Ultimate. Both are new or at least very low mileage systems with Turion Dual Cores and 2 GB of DDR2-667. These systems are slow and unresponsive. Much of the OEM bloat has been cleaned off inorder to eliminate that as a possilbe problem. My system at home, as I stated, is a 939 3800 X2 and 2GB PC3200, with a MSI NX7100GS 128 MB. The system is wonderfully responsive. It boots in half the time of my 32 and 64 bit XP systems. I'm not saying that there is something about the faster hardware and Vista that causes a problem but I wonder if it is a matter of timings? Vista is SO HUGE and bloated that the faster hardware moves faster than Vista can execute code therefore on my older hardware the system it is actually faster than on the newer hardware that Vista can't handle. Just a thought...talker.

[m.oreilly]

are the hp and gateway laptops? the laps i've seen w/ vista are slower than slow (though these were with amd cpus, i don't know if any intel would fair better...).

[talker]

m.oreilly, on Sep 13 2007, 11:05 AM, said:

are the hp and gateway laptops? the laps i've seen w/ vista are slower than slow (though these were with amd cpus, i don't know if any intel would fair better...).

Nope Mo, they are desktops. And I have to correct myself. The Gateway has a Core2Duo 6600 while the HP IQ770 has the Turion X2. This is purely speculation on my part but I can definately see and feel a difference in the handling of the three systems. As a matter of fact, the Gateway has a Vista score of 2.5 which should mean that it should barely move and at least in that respect, it is correct. My older hardware with much less the raw horsepower or speed (2GB DDR400 vs 2GB DDR2-667) handles very quickly. And of course, my speculation is if the bloat in Vista just can't respond to the faster hardware and therefore bogs down whereas the slower hardware allows the bloated Vista to run far more smoothly. This would take a lot more investigation and hardware to prove/disprove my theory but I really wish I had the resources to do so...talker.

[m.oreilly]

"faster hardware"...ddr2 brings a bit more bandwidth, but as for speed...i still think some oem shenanigans are afoot